Finally, accreditation does matter. swin....... First of all calm down. Let's hope the "every individual on the street" don't ever require treatment from "soontobeMD". Please, dont make a dumb statement and follow it up by asking if your dumb because the answer is always going to be yes! As I said before, just passing along information that was given to me at my interviews. Many were forthright and said that they preferred US citizens from US schools. Eligibility for this certificate includes graduating from a medical school listed in FAIMERs online International Medical Education Directory (IMED) and passing the USMLE Steps 1 and 2 (both clinical knowledge and clinical skills). You must REALLY, TRULY want to be a doctor for all the right reasons...altruism etc. Anyhow, I suggest you surf through the forums here at SDN regarding this topic. And there is hurricane season. Ok, i am getting sick and tired of this med school application process, i just sent out 7 apps to seven different US med schools and 3 apps to AUC, ST.GEORGES AND ROSS, i immediately got an interview with all Caribbean schools but i am just getting responses from US med school to fill out another freaking set of secondary apps that will cost some more freaking cash (i wonder if this will be part of the tuition), so my interviews for te caribbean schools are next month, my GPA and MCAT is not as competitive for the US schools, so what do every one think i should do? or D.O. Sorry for not editing my earlier post, but I was so bothered by the earlier posts that I just felt a need to encourage the future doctors. Daniel: Actually PR schools are definitely not as hard to get into as compared to the rest of the US allopathic schools. Easier to get accepted The average GPA and MCAT of U.S medical school matriculants are 3.6 and 31. It can be difficult to get information about a specific school. The classes are over crowded with about 370-400 students admitted each term, and less that 50% of students secure residency. … Better options are: DO schools or taking a year off, study hard, volunteer, get another degree or a Master's and apply again. After more more undergraduate classes, post-baccs, SMPs, and a few solid shots at the MCAT, THEN, one can shrug their shoulders and go Carib. Also, I've met some extremely awesome MD's that graduated from the islands and I have nothing but respect for them. So please - cut the BS. I believe you make the school, not the other way around so if I get accepted I will try my best to make the best grades I can by using all the resources presented to me by the school so that I can get into a good residency. There are three reasons that US schools should always be preferable. Both pathways allow for residency in the US. A working knowledge of both English and Spanish. At least I will have a chance to take the boards and have a main street career. @ Richard and Spycegirl. Carribean schools, above all else, are moneymaking machines: They do not serve a community of patients, and their only focus is the bottom line. No you wouldn't, enough said, respect others, I hate this cocky and arrogant mentality that every med students has. emial me if possible. In the United States, The National Committee on Foreign Medical Education and Accreditation of the US Department of Education (NCFMEA) of the United States Department of Education determines whether the process conducted by an accrediting organization is comparable to the Liaison Committee on Medical Education (LCME) process of accreditation. Further, Caribbean schools seek core rotations for their students in the same manner that US schools. The conversation should end here. i am a carib 4th year at sgu. Maybe the situation is improving, but before applying for Caribbean medical school admission, I would retake the MCAT, take some more science courses, work at a hospital for a little while and then reapply to US schools. While accreditation, didactic studies (first and second years of medical school), and clinical rotations (third and fourth years of medical school) differ among institutions, requirements for graduate certification in the United States, as outlined by the Philadelphia based Educational Committee on Foreign Medical Graduates, are the same for all students graduating from all international schools, including the Caribbean. Its GPA this, MCAT score that. How can you decide what is the best choice for you? Although PR's are US citizens, it does not appear that the medical programs are comparable to the US since 37 states will not license them without additional US training (such as a residency). China has medical schools that accept international students. Wanting to become a Doctor doesn't mean you deserve to be one! The School of Medicine follows a traditional curriculum, with the first two years being basic sciences followed by clerkships and electives for third and fourth year. If anything, I would be concerned that going to a D.O. pretty sure pediatricians make more than 60K, lol. With so much intelligence care to mention where I have bashed foreign education systems? Both schools have affiliations with strong teaching hospitals. I came to Germany without realizing the potential disadvantages I'd have when applying for a residency back home. I haven't met a single attending yet that gives me crap about being a DO. REALLY?? If you want to go into primary care, i'd suggest DO school. i paid just 6k for the semester. To be honest, I'm scared of the location because caribbean islands are subject to earthquake and hurricane. Few people know that over 20 percent of physicians in the US were educated outside the US. Certainly there are some exceptional doctors from Caribbean, but the rest are questionable. You are right in saying that you have to be fluent in Spanish in order to be accepted to a PR school of medicine, "no matter what route you go..." well said John, couldn't agree with you more. The only way to evaluate the education Caribbean medical students received was to examine students’ scores on the United States Licensing Exam (USMLE) Step 1, which is taken after the second year of medical school. Does anyone know of Antigua Medical School???? or try to take the MCAT that got me sick of life the first time i took and and spend some more thousands of dollars to re-take courses to improve my GPA?, FYI i am broke! You're on your own. all of this depends on the specialty you choose to practice. Get off your high horse kid and respect others. Is that if you do not pass the boards if you will get an MD behind your name. What are you doing in here anyway, when you have no experience with Caribbean schools? That said, the U.S. grad of a D.O. Saba does not require the MCAT, just recommends it. In addition, you can view our entire list of all 4 Medicine schools located within Puerto Rico. However, you must know that medical schools in Europe usually all have 6-year programs. Hell no, not a chance. Also of note, New York has the largest number of international medical graduates in residency training and about one third of residency programs in the US are located in the state of New York. I will never regret being a DO. Wonderful! I am board certified in Family Medicine which was my ultimate goal. I went to a state funded school and am in ENORMOUS debt. Where you were educated? In private medical schools, however, we don't see the same discrepancy in cost. Medical Schools in South Carolina. Also, it seems to be only getting worse with time. I can't believe this argument (more graduates = bad for FMGs) is being dug out again). What is the average size of each entering class? Some go into Family Medicaine then switch . In Puerto Rico, there are 4 Schools of Medicine of which 3 are private and 1 is Public (Medical Sciences Campus of the University of Puerto Rico).They all are LCME accredited. Their DO degree makes them different and unique within the medical field, and I always thought that's why they chose it, or didn't they? Having significant ties to a state can certainly put you at an advantage. Research these schools carefully before you apply and commit thousands of dollars and hours. Those are thoughts of the ignorant. In other countries, if you can't get into medical school, you're S.O.L. Just didnt want to wait and waste the extra years to keep slogging to get into the US or Canadian schools. Also I agree with the comment Dec 19 2010. And SGU is affiliated to medical centers of the same caliber. I am sure at those same institutions that there are program directors in other fields that are anti-DO but I didn't get that feeling. San Juan Bautista 30.6% . I don't care if it's an M.D., D.O. I wouldn't be surprised if the author was paid for her article by one of the large schools and I also wouldn't be surprised if 80% of the positive posts are being made by people who work in the marketing depts. Does the administration or faculty help students obtain away electives? Doesn't anyone read some of the previous posts? There certainly are many carib students matching to great places in great specialties. This means that you are not competent enough and should do something else, and not use patients as Guinea Pigs with your sub-par intelligence - Period! This is just one story about one of the hundreds and hundreds of medicine and medical supply donations Heart to Heart International delivers each year. Most of what you hear is just hype. I would like to mention also that you might have great board scores and bad interview skills or the other way around ...and your chances of matching might some time depend solely on your interview skills. Oh, and I am not defending my degree. Will the school provide contact information for alumni and current students with whom to speak. Can't someone go to a medical school in other industrialized or first world countries. MU South Carolina 12.3%. I have had extensive health care due to asthma and sports related injuries and one of the first things I look for every time I get a new doctor is the medical school they attended. (See my previous articles: Getting Into Residency Part 1 and Part 2 for more information.) There will be some doors opened for him that were not opened for me, but ultimately he will be judged by the physician that he becomes and the quality of care that he provides. Why are you looking at that school? Good comments from everyone. I have seen that work before, but that's the only way. It matters how good of a doctor you are. This number varies between public medical schools, but on average, there are less than 10% of spots available for out of state applicants. it is true that some programs wont even open your file. Another recent study by van Zanten and Boulet published in Academic Medicine examines the quality of medical education in the Caribbean. Everyone of the physicians that dared to treat the people in my community were trained in medical schools outside of the US. Do students work alongside US medical students? I appreciate any insight. This is the single most important criteria in getting into residencies. There is a fourth (but non-US) medical school on the island, it is accredited only by PR and licensure and practice is limited to PR. Instead of draining their brains early, it's their pockets that are tormented for several years of expensive training that turns out not to even make them scratch their brains. So stop being arrogant and judging basing on where someone went to school coz there are many many very smart foreign students out there. I am now a neurosurgeon. Immaturity, family, financial, etc. And what do you do for a living "Danny"? Prefer to watch a video instead? but it was not uncommon for me to hear that programs had over 700 applications for their spots. FIRST INSTINCT IS TO SEE THE NAME "DO" AND SAY "HAY THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM MD" THEN NATURALLY ONE SIDES WITH MD OR DO. They have to study because their pass rate for the USMLE is so low...that's a fact. Not to damn many I am sure of it. Of course you have many opportunities as a D.O., but so do FMGs. I am a volunteer at an Orphanage, I am a champion debator and i have written 67 poems (i have not published as yet) in standard english, Shakespearean English, Creole and Spanish. What percentage of students are US citizens? It is up to the individual… the arguments over DO/FMG/AMG are for the academically immature seeking the degree for the wrong reasons. As an academic physician, please do yourself a favor and DO NOT go to the Caribbean. Countries with the lowest pass rates were Saint Lucia (19.4%) and Antigua/Barbuda (22.9%). Most students that graduate from SGU disappear from the radar screen because they fail to obtain a successful residency after graduation and end up doing a MBA, or changing careers with $250,000 in student loans to pay back and no license to practice medicine in the US or Canada. I was going to do internal medicine but changed my mind in third year. The majority of DO students are americans and will practice in America...so practice rights in other countries are irrelevent, though most modern countries has a pathway to licensure (the list is online). Knowing if the state in which you intend to practice recognizes your school is also important. The DOs, and FMGs simply will not get the respect they crave from their MD peers. I was warned that going to a foreign medical school would be a "dead end path". I won't go into the details but there is alot of behind the scene activities between schools like Ross, SGU with organizations like the AMA, sallie mae, us dept of education, etc.. to keep their affiliations with numerous acgme hospitals affiliations and federal loans in the US. I got turned down by Ross. Hi, In my case I study veterinary in Dominican Republic my college is Universidad Autonoma of Santo Domingo our program last 4 1/2 and our degree is lic. On some islands even the larger schools, the living conditions are difficult both expensive and limited. Sorry one last quesiton. schools (~90% vs 82%). Purposely 'weeding out' people=less money for the school in the long run=bad for business. However, I am not satisfied, and want to go to med school. Start by using our medical school chance predictor to determine how competitive your MCAT and GPA scores are compared to the medical school's admission statistics. While class size, reputation, and tuition are important factors students consider when choosing which medical schools to apply to, many students feel the most important aspect to consider is the school's location, specifically, whether or not the school is located in-state or out-of-state. over and over again. Once you're practicing, nobody ever evaluates you based on where you went to medical school - an MD is an MD. To that end, they often employ instructors from English-speaking third world countries, they are located on islands with very low real estate and labor cost, and yet their tuition, housing, food services cost is more like out of state US tuition. You don't want to waste your time and money on a worthless education. What makes a good out of state applicant? Wow Cory, you seem to know a lot of underachieving people/relatives, who all happened to go to Ross. I am not against DOs, I myself would love to be a DO, but respect others and don't bash anyone. She was going to skip treatment … until the donation showed up. Many state boards are denying reciprocity with the Puerto Rico State Board Exam due to the fraudulent acts of several unethical and unqualified doctors and a handful of corrupt medical board members. This Kevin guy is special - my son attends AUC and loves it. I know this because I helped a number of students get situated. They do and will excell. Along the way however there were many individual mentors and hospitals that provided me with the opportunities that I needed to complete my training. How about some of the med schools in Australia? please let me know thank you for your time. The game is to raise the bills and charges as much as possible . UCLA David Geffen Medical Scholarships – Merit-based scholarships for students ... hi,i am joey from malaysia,18 years old,just graduated from high school and is going to sit for my unified … The University of Puerto Rico School of Medicine is a 4-year MD-granting program that has a commitment to the residents of Puerto Rico and educating future physicians to practice in Puerto Rico. The DO students do have the option of DO residencies but a high percentage do match to allopathic residencies and fellowship and this can be quantitatively shown that only about half of the DO residencies are filled...the rest of the classes went allo. I love the challenge of medicine. DO's and MD's are different, very different, but there is no way I would go to a carribean medical school. but tough luck getting into a solid residency program. I keep reading that some residency programs do not accept foreign medical graduates. My answer is: who cares? For example, Ross is located at New Brunswick, NJ. He is going to attend a DO school, and it's scary that he will be a practicing doctor one day. can i go to carrebian medical schoolwith a us green card?pl.reply. After residency, Caribbean medical students, along with their domestic colleagues, will obtain board certification and must meet specific requirements for state licensure. You have to be a citizen of one of the EU countries to be accepted, have graduated high school with IB (international baccalaureate), and of course be fluent in the language of instruction (German or whatever applicable for other countries). This is from 2009, not sure if it's the latest one but you get the idea. Medical school is extremely taxing, both mentally and physically and sometimes students underestimate the power of having their support system nearby. Also does anyone know if the 4 better schools have pre med programs for high school graduates ? Florida Atlantic- Schmidt, Florida: 2.7%, 18. Groucho got it right that he wouldn't "join any club that would have ME as a member!" I admire your consideration to go to medical school in Europe, and wanting to take on this adventure. Directors of the Cooperative Program at Yale will assist UPR-MSC students in the selection of mentors … Since their inception, these schools have educated many US citizens seeking a medical education outside the US, and now about 60 medical schools in the Caribbean are listed in the, Medical education in the Caribbean: variability in medical school programs and performance of students, Accreditation of undergraduate medical education in the Caribbean: report on the Caribbean accreditation authority for education in medicine and other health professions, 20 Questions: Gary Flashner, MD [Family Medicine], Foundation for Advancement of International Medical Education and Research (FAIMERs) International Medical Education Directory (IMED), Educational Committee on Foreign Medical Graduates, The National Committee on Foreign Medical Education and Accreditation of the US Department of Education. Great Job! So, stop looking for pretty websites and start looking for something not so demanding to work towards. Jude...I agree that hard work, good letters of rec and board scores will help any applicant get a competitive residency but the fact is that being an American graduate with the criteria listed above will put you above an FMG with the same credentials. Good luck man, your going to need it to get back on shore once you head out across the sea. Also, wouldn't a bunch of DO students not reporting their USMLE actually increase their average, since lower scores would tend to not be reported as much? And it goes without saying that FMGs who did not do so well in their USMLE's would have a hard time getting into residency. Some above have mentioned above that DO is something that nobody knows about. Try to find some high paid surgeons who went to school in the Caribbean; Try real hard. It was much harder for me to find a residency position as an FMG, but I was ultimately successful. For applicant's that do not gain entry into a US allopathic school their first time around, would you consider Caribbean schools as being a better alternative to osteopathic schools if one primarily concerned with being able to practice in the US in a slightly competitive sub specialty? I have at least one (and more than one in most cases) classmate that did these this year, and good programs to. DOs do tend to get better residencies on average than FMGs simply because they have the option to go into osteopathic residencies, and the AOA only considers DOs for their own programs. Thanks for your replies. This is about Ben's post. Fail the board, then you are completely screwed. Go to schools in this order if possible: why is it not made possible for foreign students like african students to attend carribean medical schools,even if it is self sponsored.i have tried time without number to access a medical career to no avail...can you please help me enroll into a medical school as self sponsored or fee paying student?thank you very much. If I did not get into a US allopathic school, I would have rather gone abroad than go to a D.O. He is getting a very high quality education from wonderful faculty and his classmates are motivated folks who WILL be MD's in the USA. Any medical school gives you the chance to take USMLE's. Thanks alot. and think that nearly all students at osteopathic schools are not there because they actually want to be D.O.s, but because that's where they got in. Now I get mixed feelings about the whole MD vs DO vs Carib. But at least they get a fair shot. In the medical field, where a doctor does his/or her training is very important in how well respected they are and how much they will be paid. Do you think there is a reason that you see the statement..."I am an FMG trying to get into X, is there any chance?" Juan Del Pueblo: the article didn't mention Perto Rican schools as part of the caribbean because these schools are LCME certified and considered not foreign, i.e. Any criticism will be appreciated. The only time I can see them saying that living oversees has made them a better person some what is when they are kissing butt to get into a FM residency. How many people study in the carribean because they wanted to instead of going to the nice cushy MD/DO program in the states? She is currently trying to find a job and focusing on future examinations. In fact, a great many bright and talented applicants are now opting to obtain their medical education in the Caribbean. Perhaps you have the intention of moving, living and working in a different state because you really want to help a state's local rural underserved community. While they didn't mention DO schools, the implication was straightforward. Amy is an example that there are many highly qualified students, who did not get into US MD programs. It may not display this or other websites correctly. With the osteopathic route, you get to stay in the US for the entire four years instead of travelling thousands of miles away to a third world country. I attended and graduated from a caribbean med school. Schedule Your FREE Initial Consultation Today! Any deficiencies in clinical training, as determined by the state, may need to be remediated to practice in California. Thank you for that great reply, Dr. Freedman. It's very good and yes, they do require you take the MCAT. Hell no, not a chance. and I am currently doing 7 A-levels (Biology, Chemistry, Physics, Mathematics, Further Mathematics, Psychology and Astronomy) and i plan to attend a Caribbean Medical School. As an FMG, it is VERY hard to get a residency spot and nearly impossible unless you want FM, IM, PEDS or Psych. Where do students do their clinical training? Caribbean admissions take as many as they can and if a student struggles through the medical program and not get residencies and such you are on your own, and your money goes down the drain. With a 3.5 why not go the D.O. So for a person with not low stats like me, what is your suggestion? I'd rather go overseas. At least I can bet that the majority of students in those two options actually want to be caring, compassionate physicians for the right reasons. Sorry, but 9 out of 10 people with the stats you mentioned would wait it out a year and get into a U.S. school because it WILL improve one's chances of attaining a more competitive residency. My friend goes to AUC and he says that the island is probably the most developed in the Caribbean, and provides a very americanized/europeanized living environment. I guess I hadn't made it clear in my post, but I actually have already enrolled in a German university and I already have a BA degree. I'm surprised Dominican Republic was not mentioned. All core rotations and subinternships must be completed in hospitals with which the Caribbean medical school has an active, written affiliation agreement and which have appropriate clinical faculty members. I believe this is simply due to the fact that you are required to be fluent in Spanish to be admitted at PR schools, which not that many people are. 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